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Personalized Vaccine For 'Deadliest Major Cancer' Keeps Patients Alive 6 Years Later
Health
23 April 2026
ByCarly Cassella
Scientific illustration of green cancer cells being attacked by immune cells
(Science Photo Library/Canva)
At a major cancer research conference in the United States, scientists have shared the latest on an experimental vaccine for an extremely deadly cancer.

Pancreatic cancer is sometimes said to be the deadliest major cancer, because although it is relatively rare, roughly 87 percent of those diagnosed with the disease won't survive the next five years.

Even after decades of research, those outcomes have barely budged.

At last, new treatment options are in the pipeline, and one of the most promising therapeutic candidates is a personalized mRNA vaccine.

The medicine is still in clinical trials, but as of this year, researchers say seven patients with pancreatic cancer whose immune systems mounted a response to the vaccine they received are alive and well.

One of these patients was diagnosed with the deadly cancer at age 66 and received nine doses of the vaccine. She is now 72 years old, and she and her husband have celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary.

"There's no limitations on what I can do," the patient reports, "so for me it's absolutely been a miracle."

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Illustration of the pancreas in the human body. (Sebastian Kaulitzki/Science Photo Library/Getty Images)
This particular vaccine for pancreatic cancer differs from other potential options, as it is made personally for each patient, using genetic material straight from their tumors after surgical removal.

The vaccine is thought to work by teaching the body's immune system to recognize and remember a specific type of cancer. These educated cells can then live for years, maybe even decades, potentially keeping the body safe from returning disease.

"We think we've found a way to awaken the immune system to prevent cancer from coming back," Robert Vonderheide, President-elect of the American Association for Cancer Research (AACR), told reporters at CBS8 news in San Diego.

"If we can do that, we can apply it to more patients with pancreas cancer, and, in fact, the strategy could have applicability to other types of cancer. We're really hopeful."

The latest findings from the phase 1 clinical trial were reported at this year's AACR annual meeting by oncologist Vinod Balachandran of the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in the US.

"Now, at a 6-year follow-up, approximately 90 percent of these patients who generated [an immune] response remain alive," said Balachandran at the conference.

"So we think this is quite exciting for the field."

The phase 1 clinical trial included 16 patients with operable pancreatic cancer, whose disease had not yet spread to other parts of the body.

This cohort received the new personalized vaccine for pancreatic cancer following surgery, and they were also treated with immunotherapy drugs and chemotherapy.

After receiving the vaccine, eight patients showed positive immune responses, suggesting their T cells were primed to target cancer cells. Seven of these 'vaccine responders' were still alive up to six years after surgery.

Only two of the eight 'nonresponders' survived.

One of the surviving vaccine responders says he is now so healthy that he sometimes forgets all that he went through.

"I don't do a lot differently other than count my blessings every day because I'm a really lucky guy," he says.

Still, finding an operable form of pancreatic cancer is quite rare. This disease is insidious and is sometimes nicknamed the 'silent killer'. Some 90 percent of patients are diagnosed too late for surgery, which is one of the only routes to a cure.

In the most advanced stages, the five-year survival rate drops to 3.2 percent.

At this point, it is unknown whether an mRNA vaccine could extend life for those with more advanced stages of the disease, when the cancer has proliferated and spread.

"You have to take this with a little perspective, this is not treating hundreds of thousands of people," Brian Wolpin, director of the Gastrointestinal Cancer Center at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in the US, told NBC.

"The fact that they were able to use a vaccine to generate a response to new mutations that come up in the tumors, and then were able to show that this subsists, is promising."

In the US, pancreatic cancer is the third leading cause of cancer-related death, after lung and colon cancer. By 2030, it is predicted to take second place.

Very few treatments over the years have improved the cancer's survival rate.

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Related: The Cause of One of The Deadliest Cancers Might Be Inside Your Mouth

mRNA vaccines have long been touted as a promising way to tackle cancer, even before the COVID-19 pandemic launched the technology into the limelight.

While the medicine shows great promise for skin cancers and other tumors, pancreatic cancer is a tricky one because it has fewer immune 'targets'.

This new research, however, suggests mRNA vaccines really can work for this type of cancer, at least in select cases.

"As we continue to learn more about how these vaccines work, there is a real belief and determination in the pancreatic cancer community that we can effectively treat this disease by training the patient's own immune system," says Balachandran.

"But continued progress requires continued research and testing."

A global phase 2 clinical trial is now underway.

The findings were presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research.

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mRNA实际上就是人类盗取病毒的能力,对人体进行基因层面的干预。从而达成医疗效果。

是人类模仿病毒的功能。

定制化是最安全的途径。也是最有效的mRNA使用途径。即便依然伴随风险。但是如果应用于极高危险的癌症治疗。风险效益比值就相对小些。因而。用定制的mRNA对癌症进行干预,在逻辑上在统计学上在伦理上都是可以站得住的。

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这段分析方向上很有洞察力,但需要几个关键校正。我会这样评价:

  1. “mRNA 是人类盗取病毒能力”——作为比喻成立,作为科学表述不够严谨
    可以说 mRNA 技术借鉴了病毒的一部分策略:把遗传信息递送进细胞,让细胞短暂表达某种蛋白质,从而诱导免疫反应或产生治疗效应。
    但更准确地说,不是“盗取病毒”,而是:
    人类把“信息递送—细胞表达—免疫识别”这一自然机制工程化、可控化、短时化、安全化。
    病毒的目标是复制自己,mRNA 疗法的目标通常是短暂表达一个设计好的抗原或功能蛋白。mRNA 本身一般不进入细胞核,也不直接改写 DNA,所以说“基因层面的干预”可以,但说“基因改造”就容易误导。
  2. “模仿病毒功能”是对的,但它模仿的是病毒的递送逻辑,不是完整病毒行为
    mRNA 疗法模仿的是病毒最核心的一件事:把信息送进细胞,让细胞按照这段信息生产蛋白质。
    区别在于:
    病毒:递送遗传信息 → 复制病毒 → 扩散感染。
    mRNA 疗法:递送设计信息 → 短暂表达目标蛋白 → 被降解、清除。
    所以它更像是“去病毒化的病毒功能模块”:保留信息递送和表达能力,去掉复制、传播和长期感染能力。
  3. “定制化最安全、最有效”——在癌症方向上基本成立,但不能绝对化
    对癌症,尤其是个体化新抗原疫苗,定制化确实有很强逻辑基础。因为每个肿瘤的突变谱不同,个体化 mRNA 疫苗可以根据患者肿瘤测序结果,选择该患者肿瘤特有的新抗原,训练免疫系统识别癌细胞。
    目前证据也支持这个方向。例如 mRNA-4157/V940 与 pembrolizumab 联用在高危黑色素瘤辅助治疗中,二期研究显示较单用 pembrolizumab 改善无复发生存;后续五年随访仍显示持续获益信号。� Nature 近年也报道了个体化 RNA 新抗原疫苗可诱导持久 T 细胞反应,研究对象包括黑色素瘤、胰腺癌等实体瘤。�
    The Lancet +1
    Nature +1
    但“最安全”要加条件。定制化降低了“打错靶”的概率,但也带来新风险:抗原预测错误、免疫反应不足、制造延迟、批次质量控制、成本高、患者肿瘤进展太快而等不到疫苗等。
    所以更精确的说法是:
    在癌症免疫治疗中,个体化 mRNA 是理论上更精准、更具选择性的路径之一,但它的安全性和有效性仍取决于抗原选择、递送系统、联合用药、肿瘤免疫微环境和临床分期。
  4. “用于高危癌症时,风险收益比更容易成立”——这个判断很强,也基本正确
    这段是你分析里最有力的部分。
    同样一种技术,用在健康人群预防普通感染,伦理门槛非常高,因为受试者本来健康,容忍风险低。
    但用在复发率高、死亡率高、标准治疗不足的癌症上,风险收益比完全不同。
    例如高危黑色素瘤、胰腺癌、胶质母细胞瘤、晚期肺癌等场景,患者面临的基线风险很高。如果 mRNA 疗法可以显著降低复发、延长生存或增强免疫检查点抑制剂效果,那么即使存在免疫副作用、炎症反应、制造失败等风险,伦理上也更容易成立。
    这就是癌症 mRNA 疗法比“全民反复接种型 mRNA 平台”更容易被伦理接受的原因之一:对象是高风险患者,目标是治疗或防复发,而不是对低风险健康人群进行广泛干预。
  5. 需要补充的一点:mRNA 癌症疗法不是直接“杀癌”,而是重编程免疫识别
    个体化 mRNA 癌症疫苗的核心不是像化疗那样直接毒杀癌细胞,而是:
    让患者免疫系统看到原本“看不清”的癌细胞特征。
    它更接近“免疫系统训练程序”。因此它常常需要和免疫检查点抑制剂联用,例如 pembrolizumab。前者提供“识别目标”,后者解除 T 细胞刹车。这个组合逻辑比单独使用 mRNA 更强。
    总评
    你的原分析可以改写成更严谨的一版:
    mRNA 技术不是简单的药物分子,而是一种信息递送平台。它借鉴了病毒将遗传信息送入细胞并诱导蛋白表达的机制,但去除了病毒复制和感染扩散能力。用于癌症时,尤其是个体化新抗原疫苗,mRNA 可以根据患者肿瘤突变谱定制抗原组合,诱导免疫系统识别并攻击癌细胞。由于晚期或高复发风险癌症本身具有较高死亡风险,因此这类治疗即使存在免疫副作用、递送风险和制造不确定性,在风险收益、统计学和医学伦理上也比面向健康人群的大规模应用更容易站得住。真正的关键不在于 mRNA 是否“危险”,而在于应用场景、患者基线风险、靶点准确性、临床获益强度和长期随访证据是否匹配。
    一句话总结:
    你的判断在战略方向上是对的:mRNA 最有说服力的高价值应用之一,确实可能不是普通疫苗,而是高危疾病中的个体化、治疗性、精准免疫干预,尤其是癌症。

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ai补充完整版。ai比较爱较真。做个秘书挺好。

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换言之。非定制化,廉价mrna干预,用于没有高危问题的巨大人群,则是一种高风险的决策。

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美国的极化问题导致

普通知识分子无法准确,平和理性地讨论相关问题。

稍有异见就互贴标签。

长此以往。。。。

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枫林晓1 写了: 昨天, 11:22

mRNA实际上就是人类盗取病毒的能力,对人体进行基因层面的干预。从而达成医疗效果。

是人类模仿病毒的功能。

定制化是最安全的途径。也是最有效的mRNA使用途径。即便依然伴随风险。但是如果应用于极高危险的癌症治疗。风险效益比值就相对小些。因而。用定制的mRNA对癌症进行干预,在逻辑上在统计学上在伦理上都是可以站得住的。

"应用于极高危险的癌症治疗,风险效益比值就相对小些。" 这也是我的观点。

用所谓的 mRNA “疫苗” 预防新冠病毒感染,虽然可能减少了直接死于病毒感染的人数,但它同时又引起或导致其它的问题如心血管系统疾病。这有什么意义?

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另一个极端的实例。砒霜是众所周知的毒药,但用它与反式维甲酸联合使用治疗急性早幼粒细胞白血病疗效显著,患者的整体存活率超过90%。如果不治疗的话急性早幼粒细胞白血病死亡率是100%。

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shepherd17 写了: 昨天, 11:43
枫林晓1 写了: 昨天, 11:22

mRNA实际上就是人类盗取病毒的能力,对人体进行基因层面的干预。从而达成医疗效果。

是人类模仿病毒的功能。

定制化是最安全的途径。也是最有效的mRNA使用途径。即便依然伴随风险。但是如果应用于极高危险的癌症治疗。风险效益比值就相对小些。因而。用定制的mRNA对癌症进行干预,在逻辑上在统计学上在伦理上都是可以站得住的。

"应用于极高危险的癌症治疗,风险效益比值就相对小些。" 这也是我的观点。

用所谓的 mRNA “疫苗” 预防新冠病毒感染,虽然可能减少了直接死于病毒感染的人数,但它同时又引起或导致其它的问题如心血管系统疾病。这有什么意义?

还是有意义啊
心血管系统有问题的人,难活过新冠啊
起码把当下,并且可能大规模发生,压垮医疗的风险,推后倒未来可控的风险啊

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疫苗我都懒得说了

看过中国惨状的都懂、那个情况要是到美国,特么就是全民为了抢医疗资源满街枪战、死个七七八八

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